tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post114763930160498951..comments2024-01-23T18:21:17.066+00:00Comments on Surroundings: Poetry PublishingRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17046788730174617923noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147899638763138102006-05-17T22:00:00.000+01:002006-05-17T22:00:00.000+01:00Ah well. Jee, how about sending me your villanelle...Ah well. Jee, how about sending me your villanelle by email? I'm unlikely to find the Crab Orchard Review in my part of the world. Well done on getting the publication.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046788730174617923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147871243806112822006-05-17T14:07:00.000+01:002006-05-17T14:07:00.000+01:00No online copy but online guidelines for submissio...No online copy but online guidelines for submission of individual poems and first books.<BR/><BR/>http://www.siu.edu/~crborchd/Jee Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979179110231643931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147852896006270262006-05-17T09:01:00.000+01:002006-05-17T09:01:00.000+01:00Most villanelles suffer from a) having one good re...Most villanelles suffer from a) having one good repentend that works well, but a second that can't quite cut it through the whole poem, and b) becoming hostage to the form so that they end up as an exercise to get through rather than a genuine exhibition of the writer's intentions. <BR/><BR/>I agree about One Art though, Jee. That's an excellent poem, and I like Do Not Go Gently too. I also like Marilyn Hacker's Villanelle (the first line is "Every day our bodies separate" - it's online, I'm sure). I guess there must be other good ones, but I can't bring them to mind.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to see your "What's Left", Jee. Will the Crab Orchard Review be published online?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046788730174617923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147825658729920932006-05-17T01:27:00.000+01:002006-05-17T01:27:00.000+01:00Not even Bishop's "One Art"? Not even my incredibl...Not even Bishop's "One Art"? Not even my incredibly clever take on the form, "What's Left", that will soon be published by Crab Orchard Review in Sep? And you call yourselves poetry readers? Bah! Humbugs.Jee Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979179110231643931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147817352944168142006-05-16T23:09:00.000+01:002006-05-16T23:09:00.000+01:00(trying again ... can't edit comments ...)can't st...(trying again ... can't edit comments ...)<BR/><BR/>can't stand villanelles either. I can stomach <I>Do Not Go Gentle</I>, but otherwise, give me a gun.scavellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210830693679186251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147817250091733082006-05-16T23:07:00.000+01:002006-05-16T23:07:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.scavellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210830693679186251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147765485185331192006-05-16T08:44:00.000+01:002006-05-16T08:44:00.000+01:00Heh. I've written 3 villanelles or so, and none of...Heh. I've written 3 villanelles or so, and none of them have quite worked. I have seen the odd good one (William Baurle [Urizen at Pffa] wrote one called <I>At Wounded Knee</I>, which is as good a villanelle as I've seen, and has just been published in Candelabrum magazine), but often I feel the poems would have been better if they'd not been villanelles.<BR/><BR/>I've realised that's true of one of mine and am trying to revise it out of its villanelle prison.<BR/><BR/>Eloise - I think many people submitting to magazines read little poetry. They want their poetry to be read, but don't subscribe to any of the magazines they eagerly contribute to.<BR/> <BR/>For proof, look at the sales figures for poetry books and the subscription numbers for poetry magazines. <BR/><BR/>The point you make is correct. Most people who write good poems now and again do read poetry and have learned to write by reading it. I expect that the majority of submissions editors receive are complete rubbish and are written by non-readers.<BR/><BR/>I know that in the National Poetry Competition a few years ago, one of the judges complained about the number of submissions typed badly, full of spelling mistakes, on pink paper with cat-borders. And he wasn't joking.<BR/><BR/>Aisha/Sorella/Shisa - good to find your blog. I couldn't wait another year for more of your crazy poems and insights!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046788730174617923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147729072230775442006-05-15T22:37:00.000+01:002006-05-15T22:37:00.000+01:00My God, you are quick, romac. I am already linked ...My God, you are quick, romac. I am already linked to...going back to return the favour, as this blog is full of advice for poets: <BR/>Do Not Go Writing Villanelles Again:/<BR/>Road Rage Will Be Your Fate, Publisher-Slain/<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/>Cool, will be back for more.<BR/><BR/>Aisha aka SorellaAishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04939230653024473666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16166950.post-1147695471831981472006-05-15T13:17:00.000+01:002006-05-15T13:17:00.000+01:00I think that the first strophe and last of a villa...I think that the first strophe and last of a villanelle are often very good, as they contain the 2 lines that the poet thinks are strong enough to carry an entire poem. The middles are often a bit dodgy.<BR/>I'm amazed that some (real) poets don't read poetry, what exactly do they do then? How did they learn to write?<BR/>Maybe I am showing my naivety but it is like a painter never going to a gallery, how does one construct the artform in a vacuum?<BR/>EloiseEloisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909201699145307027noreply@blogger.com